Actually, I have heard NIN, and I was using John Cage as an example because I don't really remember enough NIN to comment. I recall more Weird Al's rendition of a popular NIN song than the actual song itself. =) As to NIN in definition, what he does isn't that new. It was done in the 70s. All the 'new' punk, factory, rock, and industrial music is doing nothing that hasn't been done before.
Whereas John Cage actually did, so that is why I chose him.
However, one can argue that NIN music just sucks. So you understand the lyrics and think the melody contributes to the words - what if I don't? Then the music sucks for me. So I can say "NIN sucks," and be right.
We're seeing the other's point, just disagreeing, so I'll leave it at that. =)
I'm not too happy when people say "Classical music sucks," but it's something that I don't resent people for. If you don't like classical music, I'll find some that you do, and show it to you. I don't get resentful because some of my friends have no desire to come to my recitals. They don't like it, even though they've never heard the pieces I'm playing or me play at all, and that is a perfect analogy to Minisinoo. Folks who read Movieverse label the entire thing as bad, and my friends label all of classical music as bad.
And it's perfectly okay. =) I understand that some would get resentful, but I don't, and I know that if most musicians I know did, music would stop being a joy. I'm not sure if that translates over to fic or not. If you don't take what I do seriously, oh well. You're a pootie head, moving on. =) If I can forgive Matt for telling me my entire career is completely useless and offensive to him because people will pay me money to perform, I can forgive anything. =)
(Not a slam on Nute - just a reference to a conversation in IRC where the arts were discussed in terms of their true value to culture and society. He and I were not the only participants, and more than just music was discussed.)
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Re: Because there's a difference between "this is crap" and "I don't like it."
Date: 2002-10-31 10:35 am (UTC)Whereas John Cage actually did, so that is why I chose him.
However, one can argue that NIN music just sucks. So you understand the lyrics and think the melody contributes to the words - what if I don't? Then the music sucks for me. So I can say "NIN sucks," and be right.
We're seeing the other's point, just disagreeing, so I'll leave it at that. =)
I'm not too happy when people say "Classical music sucks," but it's something that I don't resent people for. If you don't like classical music, I'll find some that you do, and show it to you. I don't get resentful because some of my friends have no desire to come to my recitals. They don't like it, even though they've never heard the pieces I'm playing or me play at all, and that is a perfect analogy to Minisinoo. Folks who read Movieverse label the entire thing as bad, and my friends label all of classical music as bad.
And it's perfectly okay. =) I understand that some would get resentful, but I don't, and I know that if most musicians I know did, music would stop being a joy. I'm not sure if that translates over to fic or not. If you don't take what I do seriously, oh well. You're a pootie head, moving on. =) If I can forgive Matt for telling me my entire career is completely useless and offensive to him because people will pay me money to perform, I can forgive anything. =)
(Not a slam on Nute - just a reference to a conversation in IRC where the arts were discussed in terms of their true value to culture and society. He and I were not the only participants, and more than just music was discussed.)