Well, to be specific, what Nine Inch Nails does *is* music, not random noise. (I am not my brother. My brother is capable of believing that random noise is great experimental music. I need to have a definable melodic line.) You can sing Trent Reznor's songs, they have lyrics (when they have lyrics-- some of his stuff is instrumental) which make sense and communicate a definite mood which is generally synchronized with the music chosen. So by any definition of "music", yes, it's music. You can't declare that it is "bad" music unless you are a musical expert (which you are, but I get the impression you've never heard NIN, since you're talking about the sounds of buses farting and stuff, which isn't descriptive at all of NIN's stuff.) You can say "I don't like it," but many of the traits we might ascribe to "bad" music-- ie, it's overly derivative, it communicates banal sentiments, the lyrics are badly written, it has no recognizable melodic line, the lead singer cannot carry a tune if you gave him a bucket to do it with, it's not recognizably "music" in any real sense-- are not applicable.
And yeah, if someone says "Movieverse sucks," that *is* probably what they mean. Unlike peanut butter, however, real people who are probably reading what you write and may be friends with your friends have emotional energy invested in Movieverse. I personally get a little hurt when people say "Star Trek fic sucks", and I'm *good* at shrugging things off, particularly with my writing. So saying "movieverse sucks" is a good shorthand way to piss people off while *trying* to convey the idea that it's not to your taste.
Unless, of course, you actually mean, "I read several dozen movieverse stories and 90% of them were very badly written, with poor punctuation, no grasp of movie characterization, egregious Mary Sues, slash with improbable positions and too many weepyfests from men, Rogue consistently spelled Rouge and Magneto acting like a maniacal mustache twirling EEEEEEVIL villain when the movie portrayed him as just misguided." If that's what you saw, then people pointing out the existence of well-written movieverse fic refutes the thesis. If it's just that it's not to your *taste*, you should say so. People's writing is not Jif.
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Re: Because there's a difference between "this is crap" and "I don't like it."
Date: 2002-10-31 06:09 am (UTC)And yeah, if someone says "Movieverse sucks," that *is* probably what they mean. Unlike peanut butter, however, real people who are probably reading what you write and may be friends with your friends have emotional energy invested in Movieverse. I personally get a little hurt when people say "Star Trek fic sucks", and I'm *good* at shrugging things off, particularly with my writing. So saying "movieverse sucks" is a good shorthand way to piss people off while *trying* to convey the idea that it's not to your taste.
Unless, of course, you actually mean, "I read several dozen movieverse stories and 90% of them were very badly written, with poor punctuation, no grasp of movie characterization, egregious Mary Sues, slash with improbable positions and too many weepyfests from men, Rogue consistently spelled Rouge and Magneto acting like a maniacal mustache twirling EEEEEEVIL villain when the movie portrayed him as just misguided." If that's what you saw, then people pointing out the existence of well-written movieverse fic refutes the thesis. If it's just that it's not to your *taste*, you should say so. People's writing is not Jif.