But be clear Jim, this is what I was told, not what I said.
I never said otherwise.
Part of the *problem* here is WITH generalizations.
From what I've gathered from the thread, the problem is when people generalize you. I mean, you spent several paragraphs telling Dex why "X-Men Lite" carries a negative connotation. Did you tell your friends that they were wrong about OTL being an anti-movie clique?
Look, here's my point. The original issue here was why (some) X-Movieverse writers feel "ghettoized." If we take your example as a hypothesis, we can speculate that many X-Movieverse writers feel ghettoized because they're generalized as hacks by "comicverse" writers. This sounded like a good theory at first. But if movieverse writers are generalizing comicverse writers as elitist snobs, we have to apply the "negative stereotype == ghettoization" theory to the comicverse as well.
The result is two factions of fanfic writers ghettoizing each other. Now, I can see where comicverse and movieverse could insult each other, or even hate each other. But they can't simultaneously isolate one another into the same metaphorical slum. One or the other has to be the oppressor; if the oppression in this case takes the form of ignorant generalizations, neither side is blameless. So it seems to me we either need to abandon the ghetto analogy in this discussion, or come up with better reasons why comicverse is "The Man" and movieverse is the downtrodden minority.
Now, don't misunderstand me--I can certainly see why you'd be bitter, because you seem to be getting judged for what you write about rather than how you write it. But this is universal in fanfic; it's not just the Movieverse that gets written off for being "80% crap." There is always someone bashing an entire genre of fanfic when he should be making an exception for the "20% good stuff."
The only other problem I see here is the apparent rift between the two subgenres, but from where I sit that's inevitable. By definition, a "movieverse writer" is someone who predominantly writes movieverse fic--someone who has little use for the X-Men comics...or any other comic, for that matter. (I realize there are lots of people who are into the movie and comics, but we tend to label them as such instead of calling them "movieverse".) Even if comicverse people show a meager interest in movieverse fic, most movieverse people are never going to show an interest in Batman, Vertigo, Spider-Man, or even X-spinoffs. Why should we expect to find any more common ground than we would between Smallville and SuperFriends fans?
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Re: Quick question
Date: 2002-10-28 02:32 pm (UTC)I never said otherwise.
Part of the *problem* here is WITH generalizations.
From what I've gathered from the thread, the problem is when people generalize you. I mean, you spent several paragraphs telling Dex why "X-Men Lite" carries a negative connotation. Did you tell your friends that they were wrong about OTL being an anti-movie clique?
Look, here's my point. The original issue here was why (some) X-Movieverse writers feel "ghettoized." If we take your example as a hypothesis, we can speculate that many X-Movieverse writers feel ghettoized because they're generalized as hacks by "comicverse" writers. This sounded like a good theory at first. But if movieverse writers are generalizing comicverse writers as elitist snobs, we have to apply the "negative stereotype == ghettoization" theory to the comicverse as well.
The result is two factions of fanfic writers ghettoizing each other. Now, I can see where comicverse and movieverse could insult each other, or even hate each other. But they can't simultaneously isolate one another into the same metaphorical slum. One or the other has to be the oppressor; if the oppression in this case takes the form of ignorant generalizations, neither side is blameless. So it seems to me we either need to abandon the ghetto analogy in this discussion, or come up with better reasons why comicverse is "The Man" and movieverse is the downtrodden minority.
Now, don't misunderstand me--I can certainly see why you'd be bitter, because you seem to be getting judged for what you write about rather than how you write it. But this is universal in fanfic; it's not just the Movieverse that gets written off for being "80% crap." There is always someone bashing an entire genre of fanfic when he should be making an exception for the "20% good stuff."
The only other problem I see here is the apparent rift between the two subgenres, but from where I sit that's inevitable. By definition, a "movieverse writer" is someone who predominantly writes movieverse fic--someone who has little use for the X-Men comics...or any other comic, for that matter. (I realize there are lots of people who are into the movie and comics, but we tend to label them as such instead of calling them "movieverse".) Even if comicverse people show a meager interest in movieverse fic, most movieverse people are never going to show an interest in Batman, Vertigo, Spider-Man, or even X-spinoffs. Why should we expect to find any more common ground than we would between Smallville and SuperFriends fans?