Canon Storm - Storm from the 40+ years of comic books.
Movieverse Storm - Storm from the movie.
Now see, maybe I'm being oversensitive in my caffeine-free state, but I find that condescending.
Yeah, sure, 'Movieverse Storm' is good short hand for discussing the differences in characterization between the movie and the core comics, so I would say (using conventions picked up on X-Fiction and not knowing what the wider X-fandom world uses), Movie!Storm v. Ultimate!Storm v. 616!Storm in discussing her character, because for each universe, that particular characterization is canon.
To use 'Canon Storm' for the comics character and 'Movieverse Storm' for the movie character seems to me to be saying that Movieverse Storm isn't canon *at all.* And that's just not so. If it's onscreen, it's canon.
If one wants to 'fix' Storm and Creed in the movie, as you say, more power to them. But no one has made me believe it, and I don't particularly like the idea that thinking "Ro/Creed shipper fic is crappy" is going to give someone the right to flame me for offending them. I gave my reasons for thinking the way I do above, and apparently you didn't find fault with the logic.
Well, no.
I said I don't *get* Storm/Creed. I don't read it. For all I know, there may be good Storm/Creed fic out there. I would never dismiss all of it as crap because I don't like the pairing.
To bring it a little closer to my reality (which may not be yours), I loathe Logan/Jean. Hate it with a fiery vengeance and actually get nauseated if I read too much of it.
I will be the first person to tell you that there are some lovely Logan/Jean stories out there, even though I hate the pairing. Not all of the writing in the subgenre is crap. How could it be, when good authors like Jenn or Min or Molly or Jane St Clair are writing it?
So, no, I don't agree with your black licorice or chocolate comparisons.
You can say that you believe all black licorice is crappy because you don't like the taste, but not liking something isn't the same thing as something not being any good.
To use your chocolate analogy, you can say that all chocolate is crappy because you don't like TimTams (heathen! TimTams are the cookies of the gods), but that doesn't take into account Godiva or Ghirardelli chocolates, or dark chocolate, white chocolate and all the mryiad variations of chocolate that there are.
Can you deprive yourself of all chocolate? Sure, and good luck with that. No argument here - more chocolate for me.
But I'll argue against any blanket statement that it's all bad based on one subsection of the whole.
One more analogy: I don't like fan-written RPF (and in fact, I have problems with much professional RPF). I have ethical qualms about it. Huge honking ones. So I don't read it. I also think N'Sync are a bunch of not-real-cute, not-real-talented boys, so I'm fair baffled by the explosion of *nslash, and the love of it by people whom I consider intelligent.
So I'm pretty anti-RPF. I don't read it, don't write it, and don't encourage others to do so.
Because I know the caliber of many of the authors writing it, I cannot dismiss it as crap. I'm sure there are wondeful nslash and LotRips stories out there among the Mary Sue/Legolas dreck.
I guess I just expect the same consideration for movieverse fic.
Re: Part I
Movieverse Storm - Storm from the movie.
Now see, maybe I'm being oversensitive in my caffeine-free state, but I find that condescending.
Yeah, sure, 'Movieverse Storm' is good short hand for discussing the differences in characterization between the movie and the core comics, so I would say (using conventions picked up on X-Fiction and not knowing what the wider X-fandom world uses), Movie!Storm v. Ultimate!Storm v. 616!Storm in discussing her character, because for each universe, that particular characterization is canon.
To use 'Canon Storm' for the comics character and 'Movieverse Storm' for the movie character seems to me to be saying that Movieverse Storm isn't canon *at all.* And that's just not so. If it's onscreen, it's canon.
If one wants to 'fix' Storm and Creed in the movie, as you say, more power to them. But no one has made me believe it, and I don't particularly like the idea that thinking "Ro/Creed shipper fic is crappy" is going to give someone the right to flame me for offending them. I gave my reasons for thinking the way I do above, and apparently you didn't find fault with the
logic.
Well, no.
I said I don't *get* Storm/Creed. I don't read it. For all I know, there may be good Storm/Creed fic out there. I would never dismiss all of it as crap because I don't like the pairing.
To bring it a little closer to my reality (which may not be yours), I loathe Logan/Jean. Hate it with a fiery vengeance and actually get nauseated if I read too much of it.
I will be the first person to tell you that there are some lovely Logan/Jean stories out there, even though I hate the pairing. Not all of the writing in the subgenre is crap. How could it be, when good authors like Jenn or Min or Molly or Jane St Clair are writing it?
So, no, I don't agree with your black licorice or chocolate comparisons.
You can say that you believe all black licorice is crappy because you don't like the taste, but not liking something isn't the same thing as something not being any good.
To use your chocolate analogy, you can say that all chocolate is crappy because you don't like TimTams (heathen! TimTams are the cookies of the gods), but that doesn't take into account Godiva or Ghirardelli chocolates, or dark chocolate, white chocolate and all the mryiad variations of chocolate that there are.
Can you deprive yourself of all chocolate? Sure, and good luck with that. No argument here - more chocolate for me.
But I'll argue against any blanket statement that it's all bad based on one subsection of the whole.
One more analogy: I don't like fan-written RPF (and in fact, I have problems with much professional RPF). I have ethical qualms about it. Huge honking ones. So I don't read it. I also think N'Sync are a bunch of not-real-cute, not-real-talented boys, so I'm fair baffled by the explosion of *nslash, and the love of it by people whom I consider intelligent.
So I'm pretty anti-RPF. I don't read it, don't write it, and don't encourage others to do so.
Because I know the caliber of many of the authors writing it, I cannot dismiss it as crap. I'm sure there are wondeful nslash and LotRips stories out there among the Mary Sue/Legolas dreck.
I guess I just expect the same consideration for movieverse fic.